5k gearscore for TOC/VOA/Uld? LOL!

[Guest]

Quote:I want to see you do godlike dps with shitty gear :')

What considers shitty gear? There is no shitty gear when you're trying to gear up an alt and you cant go anywhere when people require a 5k gearscore. My alt is a warrior with basically farmed triumph gear, 1 piece of t10 (shoulders) and the frost badge cloak. The rest is just basic heroic gear. He does NOT have a 5k gearscore yet i can pull over 5100 dps, which is decent for triumph (10-man) gear.
My main is a Shadow priest with 3/5 t10 gear, ICC10 gear and a few pieces from TOC25 still. He hardly has over a 5k gearscore....around 5100 last time i asked. I got him into a pug VOA25 with another shadow priest with a 5500 gearscore, yet i did 1500 more DPS than he/she did(i did 7400, he/she did just under 6k). You're saying that a higher gearscored person (DPS shadow priests in this case), is going to do more DPS than myself if they dont know their correct rotation and their raid surroundings? You're drunk.
If you have a high gearscore, but arent doing the DPS you SHOULD be doing and im kicking your ass in DPS as a SHADOW PRIEST, then you are the biggest moron ive ever seen in this game. Knowing your class, knowing your rotation, knowing your surroundings while in a raid and being able to put out a great amount of DPS with minimal gear will always over-rule somebody's "gearscore."
The reason alot of people like me hate this addon is because of that exact reason for people not being able to put out a certain amount of dps when they have a high gearscore.

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BTW, if you want to even look at my shadow priest and warrior....they are both on Bloodhoof, US, Skiathos and Skiatreus.

[Soul]

(02-20-2010 03:31 PM)Guest Wrote:  The reason alot of people like me hate this addon is because of that exact reason for people not being able to put out a certain amount of dps when they have a high gearscore.

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Hi, Guest, I'm glad you could join the conversation.
A player underperforming their level of gear is the most common thing you will ever see in WoW. Until such time as you can demonstrate that installing/using gearscore creates this phenomenon, you can fuck right-the-hell-off with this paradigm. Gearscore was not created to measure skill or guarantee a candidate's DPS, so it's lack of success in these fields is less than surprising.
Regards,
~soul

[Guest]

Soul” you are rude and soulless. I hope to never meet trash like you. Try discussing and sharing your opinion without the dumping crap. Grow up already! Your immaturity shines!

Oh and by the way, I love Gearscore! thanks!

[Soul]

(02-20-2010 05:46 PM)Guest Wrote:  Soul” you are rude and soulless. I hope to never meet trash like you. Try discussing and sharing your opinion without the dumping crap. Grow up already! Your immaturity shines!

Oh and by the way, I love Gearscore! thanks!

Does this mean we can't be friends?

[Guest]

(02-20-2010 04:03 PM)Soul Wrote:  

(02-20-2010 03:31 PM)Guest Wrote:  The reason alot of people like me hate this addon is because of that exact reason for people not being able to put out a certain amount of dps when they have a high gearscore.

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Hi, Guest, I'm glad you could join the conversation.
A player underperforming their level of gear is the most common thing you will ever see in WoW. Until such time as you can demonstrate that installing/using gearscore creates this phenomenon, you can fuck right-the-hell-off with this paradigm. Gearscore was not created to measure skill or guarantee a candidate's DPS, so it's lack of success in these fields is less than surprising.
Regards,
~soul

You're an idiot. No where in my paragraphs did i say anything, nor imply about gearscore causing people to underperform for their level of gear. So congratulations on putting words in my mouth. If its such a great addon and people are not capable of doing their best for having at least MY LEVEL OF GEAR, then what really, is exactly the point of gearscore? It has no point, period. How does it even count as a minimum for getting into a raid if people are not capable of pushing out a certain amount of DPS or HPS? Yea, i know, continue to state the obvious which was already stated, "...was not created to measure skill or guarantee a candidate's DPS." Tell me something i dont know, like how it helps people(which it doesn't). Telling me, well, it tells you how high their gearscore is, doesn't help me one bit as a raid leader as i interview a players skill and dps and how well they know their surroundings when they come into one of my raids; ie., an applicant to the guild.

Quote:GearScore is an addon for World of Warcraft that allows you to quickly and easily judge a player's level of Gear.

Yea, and then when you find out that that person isn't doing what they should be doing for their level of gear, "Gearscore" has absolutely no probative value upon any issue in this case as to why it's a good addon to use.

[Soul]

(02-22-2010 04:18 PM)Guest Wrote:  You're an idiot. No where in my paragraphs did i say anything, nor imply about gearscore causing people to underperform for their level of gear.

I suppose I misunderstood this line:

Quote:The reason alot of people like me hate this addon is because of that exact reason for people not being able to put out a certain amount of dps when they have a high gearscore.

Looking back on it, I suppose you could have been saying that you don't like it because it doesn't give a guaranteed number in accord with what that player will do. In my defense, it was poorly written.

Fair enough, I'm going to say this one more time, and I'm going to caps-lock it for you, GEARSCORE DOES NOT MEASURE SKILL.
Gearscore gives you an idea of whether or not a player is geared for an instance. That's it.

Quote:So congratulations on putting words in my mouth.

Make the words come out of your mouth in the correct order and the odds of misunderstanding diminish substantially.

Quote: If its such a great addon and people are not capable of doing their best for having at least MY LEVEL OF GEAR, then what really, is exactly the point of gearscore? It has no point, period.

Wrong. Gearscore is there to give you a fast glance at a player's gear, so you can tell whether or not they are going to be able to keep up in what you want to do, or if their gear is going to impede them.

Quote:How does it even count as a minimum for getting into a raid if people are not capable of pushing out a certain amount of DPS or HPS? Yea, i know, continue to state the obvious which was already stated, "...was not created to measure skill or guarantee a candidate's DPS." Tell me something i dont know, like how it helps people(which it doesn't).

Gearscore is there to give you a fast glance at a player's gear, so you can tell whether or not they are going to be able to keep up in what you want to do, or if their gear is going to impede them.

Quote:Telling me, well, it tells you how high their gearscore is, doesn't help me one bit as a raid leader as i interview a players skill and dps and how well they know their surroundings when they come into one of my raids; ie., an applicant to the guild.

If you can't see the use in finding out quickly that a ret pally is severely undergeared for your pug raid, then I don't know what to tell you. Knowing whether or not they stand in fire is almost impossible, and saying that gearscore is useless because it doesn't do the impossible is a little weak.

Quote:GearScore is an addon for World of Warcraft that allows you to quickly and easily judge a player's level of Gear.

Yep. Odd how that description "describes" the addon. You really got us there.

Quote:Yea, and then when you find out that that person isn't doing what they should be doing for their level of gear, "Gearscore" has absolutely no probative value upon any issue in this case as to why it's a good addon to use.

Once again, this addon was designed to tell you if a player has a decent level of gear to keep up in your selected instance. If you want to fault it for not coming with a guarantee that the player will be good, you're more than welcome to do so. Doing so, however, makes you a moron

[Arxkanite]

This game is now catered to casuals. Is it really so hard to believe that casuals wouldn't want to pull out a fucking spreadsheet and calculator every time they wanted to run a pug with somebody?

No matter how skilled you are, better gear == better performace. Let me take a moment to prove this to you morons.
Lets say we have a mage who only spams frostbolt as his entire dps rotation. Nothing else. Terrible player right? Well guess fucking what? If he puts on a piece of gear that says "+20 Spell Power" he will do more damage! HOLY SHIT?! Is it really possible?!?!

When people pug they HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOUR SKILL IS, so they either choose to assume everyone is going to perform on an average level, or that everyone is going to be a terrible player. For the first one they choose a reasonable GearScore requirement for a raid. For the 2nd they choose a much higher requirement to compensate for lack of talent.

As I've stated before, the game now caters to casual players who do not have much time to play the game. So they want as fast as runs as possible with as few of wipes because they have to go to work and create a new fighting game, so they can move out of their grandmother's house. (And stop the jerk trying to steal his gaming idea!). ...Where was I? Oh yeah, they want FAST RUNS, so they demand higher GearScore for these runs in hopes it will make things go smoother.

But QQ, I can't get gear because I cant run any pug raids QQ. PUGS ARE NOT FOR GEARING UP IDIOTS. Get a fucking guild. OMFG STFU and get a fucking guild. Guilds don't give a shit what your gear is most of the time, because gear can be fixed easily, where skill takes a lot of time. PUGS are for farming emblems or ninja looting the last piece of gear you need. JOIN A FUCKING GUILD.

[Soul]

(02-23-2010 08:33 AM)Arxkanite Wrote:  This game is now catered to casuals. Is it really so hard to believe that casuals wouldn't want to pull out a fucking spreadsheet and calculator every time they wanted to run a pug with somebody?

No matter how skilled you are, better gear == better performace. Let me take a moment to prove this to you morons.
Lets say we have a mage who only spams frostbolt as his entire dps rotation. Nothing else. Terrible player right? Well guess fucking what? If he puts on a piece of gear that says "+20 Spell Power" he will do more damage! HOLY SHIT?! Is it really possible?!?!

When people pug they HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOUR SKILL IS, so they either choose to assume everyone is going to perform on an average level, or that everyone is going to be a terrible player. For the first one they choose a reasonable GearScore requirement for a raid. For the 2nd they choose a much higher requirement to compensate for lack of talent.

As I've stated before, the game now caters to casual players who do not have much time to play the game. So they want as fast as runs as possible with as few of wipes because they have to go to work and create a new fighting game, so they can move out of their grandmother's house. (And stop the jerk trying to steal his gaming idea!). ...Where was I? Oh yeah, they want FAST RUNS, so they demand higher GearScore for these runs in hopes it will make things go smoother.

But QQ, I can't get gear because I cant run any pug raids QQ. PUGS ARE NOT FOR GEARING UP IDIOTS. Get a fucking guild. OMFG STFU and get a fucking guild. Guilds don't give a shit what your gear is most of the time, because gear can be fixed easily, where skill takes a lot of time. PUGS are for farming emblems or ninja looting the last piece of gear you need. JOIN A FUCKING GUILD.

That rant right there... Made my day. Such beauty, such truth, so brutal.
<3 you Arx.

[Jhecht]

I'm a casual player, and uh, yeah Arxkanite got it on the money right there. Don't get me wrong, I'm not geared worth shit for anything, but having over a 4k gs in simple things like heroics makes shit faster. Keep in mind, this addon is a quick judge of ability, as those who have higher GS usually have had more experience to get said gear. Yes, you can bitch and complain that "oh maybe someone had bad rolls," but truth here is that even if they had 1-2 bad rolls, if they're SERIOUSLY trying to gear up, that shouldn't be a problem. Especially now with free triumph emblems and access to T9.1 for what, 30 emblems? I've seriously seen people with in DAYS go from the usual 2700 80 gs from leveling to 4.9k+ with that.

Your gear does not equal your skill, correct. No one argues that. BUT, as Arxkanite has stated, if you equip better gear, you usually do better damage unless you're just auto-attacking while jerking off on another screen. Yes, you can get into things that dont require GS because people know you're good or you've got a pleasant personality. Other day we ran with a mage that had 2500 gs. We kept him because he was hilarious.

[Guest]

maybe we need a reaction score addon lol to where it will tell ya how fast ppl can click buttons and pay attenion cuz they got 5800+gs causing wipes go go carry me